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Suggest Tai Lam Trail CP Improvements Here

5 years 6 months ago - 5 years 6 months ago #3229 by Pk101
This set of stairs is a major pain...either way its a major hike up with your bike.

A re-route is possible for the first straight set but as the steeper sets crosses a drain and ends on the dam..it will be more difficult to improve/re-route.

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5 years 6 months ago #3231 by brandon
Agree, the inside line should be flatter / wider, the outside 'speed' line should stay as is, for fast and skilled riders to carry momentum around the turn when descending. Hikers, slower/less skilled riders will naturally take the inside line, which works to lessen the chance of collision - just need to smooth out that concrete bump and maybe rake away some vegetation.

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5 years 6 months ago #3232 by brandon
Previous post was about the turn ...

... as for the stairs, the set in the first two pics could have a wider line, just about 30-40cm would do it, for skilled riders to ride up / down, with a bit of flagstone armoring, similar to what was done at the official start of the new ho pui entrance. The grade is too steep for beginners no matter what though, unless you extend the length of the descent, which would require a lot more digging into the hillside.

The second set is just murder, and would require a massive reroute, with switchbacks / climbing turns. Big elevation difference, so not sure the time/cost of that would be justified. You could probably build maybe 10x the length of new trail for the same effort. Dunno if HM could comment on that ... I'm just guesstimating.

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5 years 6 months ago - 5 years 6 months ago #3233 by Pk101
Three major issues here...first being the bollards blocking access, moving the one on the far right could allow bikers through safely.

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Then we have major drainage problems and getting up the stairs from below. This sections has been highlighted as a major issue. Nothing has been done.





The last pics shows small stair drop, not begginer level and expert only if you want to ride up. The root always freaks me out going down. Because of the drain, again difficult to fix.




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5 years 6 months ago #3234 by brandon
Ah yes, the bollards - believe it or not, people actually try to ride motocross in the CP, so I suspect that's why these are there. Probably a more bike-friendly solution could be found, here as well as at the other entrance to the trail near the dam above the prison.

The rest could be fairly easily fixed with a bit of filling in / armoring around the drains / roots.

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5 years 6 months ago - 5 years 6 months ago #3235 by Pk101
This area is washed out, stairs and concrete just waiting to collapse. Everytime you ride you look to see a new line becuase of a collapse.

Fix the drainage issues, remove/fix stairs. Great for riding up/down but not sustainable.

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This last one riding down is fine but begginer level riding up it is not. Alternate line please and drainage on the right needs to be fixed.


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5 years 6 months ago - 5 years 6 months ago #3236 by Pk101
This piece of rock was altered for the last ActionAsia race, by who Im not sure. The drop's incline was reduced to be easier going down. Begginer would not attempt it eitherway. Suggest new route on the hill side around the rock.

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5 years 6 months ago #3237 by HMDirtraction
another nice set of picture, highlighting and echoing the issues at TLC.

we've id most of these to be fixed during our survey in March.
I am not too sure when can these be done; some of which are major.

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-should be done when time permits during summer by AFCD.

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- potentially reroute to removed at least 2 flights of stairs
however the steep flight right into the dam wall after that drain crossing, will proof to be challenging.

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- nice sets of climbing turn, switchberms and reroutes should bring the trails comfortably up/down. easy bi-direction climb/descent. bollard got to stay. motorized buddies is definitely an issue at TLC.

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- the land is scarred. a nice reroute planned.

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- ramp to be widen and lengthen. however riders riding the counter clockwise direction of TLC will have a sweet rock drop option (via a big rock, with the entry paved up proper)

In general, to make TLC bidrectional ridable for all,
the countless staircases around TLC would be taken out.

I am sure nobody love riding those flights of staircases B)
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5 years 6 months ago #3238 by Pk101
Great news HM, thanks!!

Can we not relocate the bollards to the stairs down to road rather than across the trail?

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5 years 6 months ago #3245 by Pk101
Here's the last batch of pics and suggestions. These will mainly deal with drainage and providing safe riding in both directions whilst still keeping it sustainable.

Again, pics are taking from both sides of trail issue.

This stair section has a large gulley on one side. Going down is not a problem but upwards is tricky even for non-begginers. Widening the rideable suface and address any drainage issues please.

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This area is just around the corner from the pics above. Mainly a drainage problem nothing really needs to be done except maybe provide walkers a decent footing.




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